I'm not sure if I fully understand Richard's argument here. He seems to be arguing on the one hand that a one-party Democrat state would be more competent than the current R-D duopoly, and doubly more competent than a Republican one-party (in reality, one-man) autocracy. Fair enough.
But he has also argued that the Dems are a more accelerationist force than Reps - that a Dem 2024 victory would accelerate US global retrenchment and cultural decline. It seems to me that these two arguments are somehow contradictory - a more divided, culturally degraded, and less globally influential USA is a more unhappy, unstable, and impoverished USA. Can we really say that a party which brings about such a result is preferable to its opposition? Maybe, but IMO a lot more groundwork needs to be done for such an argument to be convincing.
Nonetheless, I understand the desire to "pick a side" in the current political conflict. There can be little doubt that the results of the 2024 election matter in a very big way, given that the decisive victory of one faction could lead to the political destruction of the other faction. But just because we know that the result of the election is of pivotal historic significance doesn't mean that we can determine exactly how the result matters, or indeed even which faction is preferable. Given the ridiculous nature of both political parties, it hardly seems clear to me which one would handle political power in a way which benefits us and our ideas in the long term.
Basically, I agree with Richard that the Dems are both more competent and more accelerationist. I disagree with him only in the sense that I don't think those two facts make the Dems the better option. As uncomfortable as it is, we might just have to face a reality in which neither side is obviously better than the other, and all we can really do is wait and see what happens.
The idea that the anti-white party is best for whites is absurd. If they get into power permanently they’ll pack the Supreme Court, do more affirmative action, take away guns, raise taxes etc. That’s what they said they’d do so why would they moderate? If anything they’ll be emboldened. The only reason they are moderating now is because they went too hard too quickly and had to pull back because of Trump. They didn’t change their minds in 2 years. This is all bull shit. They’ll be back to hating whites openly as soon as they can do it and still get elected.
I think Trumpism will go down in history as the latest flu virus that liberalism caught that ended up ultimately strengthening it's immune system. The Southern Confederacy, National Socialist Germany and now in the 21st century the MAGA movement. I don't say this happily, however I think Trump consciously or not will end up being the perfect boogie man to breathe life back into liberalism, just as Russia has given NATO a new purpose. I can envision in 30 years geriatric millennials sitting around the proverbial campfire and telling their 1.3 children exaggerated ghost stories on par with Holocaust human lampshade tales of how evil Trump was, how close we were to losing "ouR DeMocrAcy" and how they played a role in rescuing America from the jaws of literal fascism. Trump is such a perfect Marvel Universe bad guy, rich, fat, ugly, corrupt, tacky, blond, Aryan, tall, rude, arrogant, cruel, racist, womanizing, and on top of all that ignorant and uninformed.
The victorious liberal collective memory of Trump will be the Don sitting on his golden toilet eating MacDonald's and scrolling Twitter while scowling White police officers put their knees on the necks of innocent Black men, little Mexican children were being ripped from the arms of their mother's just going north for a better life, and Grandma and Grandpa were dying of COVID because Trump wanted to keep big line going up.
Stan Leibowitz in a fever dream couldn't have manifested a better supervillain for the crypto Jewish hero to defeat. Trump is the perfect false Goliath.
I totally agree with everything you wrote. I'm particularly intrigued by your notion that the MAGA movement, Southern Confederacy, and NS Germany are each part and parcel of the same trend - knee-jerk, angry reactions to liberalism which failed (or will fail) in the way any movement based on resentment and total rejection of all morality will inevitably fail. In my mind, that last bit is the most important - the rejection of all morality. Rather than offering a moral system superior to Weimar liberalism, Hitler, in his rage and resentment, offered only a kind of anti-morality - "social darwinism with racial characteristics," we might call it. Anti-morality is not only wrong in principle, but it is catastrophic in the long term because it erodes the moral foundation of identitarianism in the public mind. Interested to hear if you have any thoughts on this.
Well said. And to be fair to those prior movements I wouldn't say they were totally useless, or that they were set up to fail on purpose...perhaps Trump and the MAGA movement was.
The NSDAP I believe was genuine in its goals, but ultimately it serves in its failure as a highly effective albeit painful lesson for the Western liberal order. Trumpism however does in some ways feel staged, as if the American political science community went into the wild and isolated the essence of Hitler and put it into a vile in order to administer it later in small doses into the bloodstream of American political discourse, so as to not harm the liberal immune system but to strengthen it, and to keep it in fighting shape, maintaining a strong immune response to right-wing anti liberal movements, perhaps this system is less adapted to fighting left-wing anti liberal movements, but that's just speculation.
German National Socialism is definitely interesting, but I do think that the over emphasis on race missed the mark a bit. I know that much of the top brass in the SS took issue with Christianity, but by in large it seemed like their policy was to ignore it, or perhaps to promote it slightly. You see that same behavior today with the anti semetic right in the West, they either criticize Jews from a racial perspective, ignoring the contradictions within Christianity, or they attack Jews as some Catholics do, for murdering Christ, while ignoring the fact that if the Jews hadn't put Christ on the cross he wouldn't have been the savior.
I don't doubt that genetics play a role, but to say Jews are powerful in Hollywood because of their genetics or IQ is a stretch. I think it's more likely and in many ways more obvious that Jews are powerful in Hollywood because they have a long tradition of story telling and symbolism. Older civilizations like the Romans tended to view the JQ more laconically and in my view more clearly, they identified that the issue with the Jews was their belief system, not their skin tone or head shape.
The hardest question is finding out what morality do you replace the current one with. I don't exactly know, I'd like to think we are attempting to do that here, even if only in a small way, but I do agree that being a social darwinist is not a very sophisticated answer.
I think ultimately White people need a God. We need a God like the Jews have whom they can put their faith in without hesitation as so many European and American Christians are forced to because we have no other options other than to be a non believer, which isn't a very good option either. We ultimately need to collectively manifest a new deity which is from us and for us and for which our race sustains it self for.
Liberalism is done. You can’t have what we used to have after being flooded with the 3rd world. Whatever comes next will be very different. Look at tech companies flooded with Indians for what the future will bring. Different third world ethnic groups squabbling over how to distribute the spoils of our system with no regard for what’s actually best for the country.
I think liberalism has reached its logical conclusion so I wouldn’t say it’s good, but once you have third worlders coming in and turning it into an ethnic spoils system it ceases to even be functional.
Is that really happening though? I understand how it's easy to come to that conclusion, however the children of non White immigrants are largely assimilating to White American suburban culture and sometimes, although less frequently, urban Black American culture. They aren't starting the "Latino" party or the "Asian" party and going after White power, it's more like they are becoming alternative versions of American Whites, or masquerading as us. I don't think most of them want to destroy White America.
Yes. They hate us. Look at Indians in tech. Once a company hits critical mass of Indians no white person is ever hired again. It becomes a way to enrich their Indian co ethnics and get H1bs. Africans assimilate to resentful black identity politics i.e. Obama. Hispanics vote for Democrats and gibs and legalizing their co ethnics. Any majority minority state eventually becomes like CA or NYC which are the epitome of anti white. Isn’t it obvious the left has gotten more openly anti white as they’ve gotten less white? Do you think these people will be kind to whites when they are 60% of the population?
I don't deny that Indians, especially Indians here on HB1 visas are nepotistic, and yes I agree that is bad and we should not be allowing them such a foothold in tech, however if you look at someone like Vivek, a second generation Indian, born in Ohio, he isn't really doing that, if anything he is an Indian American engaged in White guy politics. Its hard to equate him with a to foreign born Indian who buys a hotel in a small White town and and then only hires his cusions or something, which I agree is bad.
Sure, of the small percentage African immigrants we have, some have and will assimilate to black ghetto culture, but a lot of them also just own liquor stores or other menial small businesses and bemoan woke liberal policies like many average boomers and vote Republican. And Hispanics are getting close to being split 50/50 Dem vs GOP, just like Whites they are a political plurality. Lots of Hispanics are mixed race with a lot of White blood, and a good number of them are assimilated and intermarrying with Whites.
I was born and still live in CA, it's many things, but I wouldn't classify it as anti-White, it's unfortunately very expensive, among other things, but I've never got the sense, on the street that people are out to get me because I'm White.
To your last point, yes Whites have gone from 85-90% of the population 50 years ago to around 60% today, however it's not like the other 40% are united against us, they are made up of people by in large that have little in common with each other. Blacks don't like Asians, Hispanics don't like Blacks, etc, they aren't all united in solidarity against White people, most of them aren't in fact.
Will the Republican Party be able to rebuild after Trump? I’m not sure they can go back from this and think they will end up going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy and paranoia even deeper. Seems like if they try to go back on Trumpism after this election, their base will eat them alive, and the Democrats will already be there occupying the space.
I'm not sure if I fully understand Richard's argument here. He seems to be arguing on the one hand that a one-party Democrat state would be more competent than the current R-D duopoly, and doubly more competent than a Republican one-party (in reality, one-man) autocracy. Fair enough.
But he has also argued that the Dems are a more accelerationist force than Reps - that a Dem 2024 victory would accelerate US global retrenchment and cultural decline. It seems to me that these two arguments are somehow contradictory - a more divided, culturally degraded, and less globally influential USA is a more unhappy, unstable, and impoverished USA. Can we really say that a party which brings about such a result is preferable to its opposition? Maybe, but IMO a lot more groundwork needs to be done for such an argument to be convincing.
Nonetheless, I understand the desire to "pick a side" in the current political conflict. There can be little doubt that the results of the 2024 election matter in a very big way, given that the decisive victory of one faction could lead to the political destruction of the other faction. But just because we know that the result of the election is of pivotal historic significance doesn't mean that we can determine exactly how the result matters, or indeed even which faction is preferable. Given the ridiculous nature of both political parties, it hardly seems clear to me which one would handle political power in a way which benefits us and our ideas in the long term.
Basically, I agree with Richard that the Dems are both more competent and more accelerationist. I disagree with him only in the sense that I don't think those two facts make the Dems the better option. As uncomfortable as it is, we might just have to face a reality in which neither side is obviously better than the other, and all we can really do is wait and see what happens.
The idea that the anti-white party is best for whites is absurd. If they get into power permanently they’ll pack the Supreme Court, do more affirmative action, take away guns, raise taxes etc. That’s what they said they’d do so why would they moderate? If anything they’ll be emboldened. The only reason they are moderating now is because they went too hard too quickly and had to pull back because of Trump. They didn’t change their minds in 2 years. This is all bull shit. They’ll be back to hating whites openly as soon as they can do it and still get elected.
I’ve been scratching my head for quite a while now trying to figure out exactly what Richard stands for anymore 🤷🏻♂️
This is more of an objective podcast rather than an ideological message. You can form your own particular thoughts on the matters presented.
I think Trumpism will go down in history as the latest flu virus that liberalism caught that ended up ultimately strengthening it's immune system. The Southern Confederacy, National Socialist Germany and now in the 21st century the MAGA movement. I don't say this happily, however I think Trump consciously or not will end up being the perfect boogie man to breathe life back into liberalism, just as Russia has given NATO a new purpose. I can envision in 30 years geriatric millennials sitting around the proverbial campfire and telling their 1.3 children exaggerated ghost stories on par with Holocaust human lampshade tales of how evil Trump was, how close we were to losing "ouR DeMocrAcy" and how they played a role in rescuing America from the jaws of literal fascism. Trump is such a perfect Marvel Universe bad guy, rich, fat, ugly, corrupt, tacky, blond, Aryan, tall, rude, arrogant, cruel, racist, womanizing, and on top of all that ignorant and uninformed.
The victorious liberal collective memory of Trump will be the Don sitting on his golden toilet eating MacDonald's and scrolling Twitter while scowling White police officers put their knees on the necks of innocent Black men, little Mexican children were being ripped from the arms of their mother's just going north for a better life, and Grandma and Grandpa were dying of COVID because Trump wanted to keep big line going up.
Stan Leibowitz in a fever dream couldn't have manifested a better supervillain for the crypto Jewish hero to defeat. Trump is the perfect false Goliath.
I totally agree with everything you wrote. I'm particularly intrigued by your notion that the MAGA movement, Southern Confederacy, and NS Germany are each part and parcel of the same trend - knee-jerk, angry reactions to liberalism which failed (or will fail) in the way any movement based on resentment and total rejection of all morality will inevitably fail. In my mind, that last bit is the most important - the rejection of all morality. Rather than offering a moral system superior to Weimar liberalism, Hitler, in his rage and resentment, offered only a kind of anti-morality - "social darwinism with racial characteristics," we might call it. Anti-morality is not only wrong in principle, but it is catastrophic in the long term because it erodes the moral foundation of identitarianism in the public mind. Interested to hear if you have any thoughts on this.
Well said. And to be fair to those prior movements I wouldn't say they were totally useless, or that they were set up to fail on purpose...perhaps Trump and the MAGA movement was.
The NSDAP I believe was genuine in its goals, but ultimately it serves in its failure as a highly effective albeit painful lesson for the Western liberal order. Trumpism however does in some ways feel staged, as if the American political science community went into the wild and isolated the essence of Hitler and put it into a vile in order to administer it later in small doses into the bloodstream of American political discourse, so as to not harm the liberal immune system but to strengthen it, and to keep it in fighting shape, maintaining a strong immune response to right-wing anti liberal movements, perhaps this system is less adapted to fighting left-wing anti liberal movements, but that's just speculation.
German National Socialism is definitely interesting, but I do think that the over emphasis on race missed the mark a bit. I know that much of the top brass in the SS took issue with Christianity, but by in large it seemed like their policy was to ignore it, or perhaps to promote it slightly. You see that same behavior today with the anti semetic right in the West, they either criticize Jews from a racial perspective, ignoring the contradictions within Christianity, or they attack Jews as some Catholics do, for murdering Christ, while ignoring the fact that if the Jews hadn't put Christ on the cross he wouldn't have been the savior.
I don't doubt that genetics play a role, but to say Jews are powerful in Hollywood because of their genetics or IQ is a stretch. I think it's more likely and in many ways more obvious that Jews are powerful in Hollywood because they have a long tradition of story telling and symbolism. Older civilizations like the Romans tended to view the JQ more laconically and in my view more clearly, they identified that the issue with the Jews was their belief system, not their skin tone or head shape.
The hardest question is finding out what morality do you replace the current one with. I don't exactly know, I'd like to think we are attempting to do that here, even if only in a small way, but I do agree that being a social darwinist is not a very sophisticated answer.
I think ultimately White people need a God. We need a God like the Jews have whom they can put their faith in without hesitation as so many European and American Christians are forced to because we have no other options other than to be a non believer, which isn't a very good option either. We ultimately need to collectively manifest a new deity which is from us and for us and for which our race sustains it self for.
Liberalism is done. You can’t have what we used to have after being flooded with the 3rd world. Whatever comes next will be very different. Look at tech companies flooded with Indians for what the future will bring. Different third world ethnic groups squabbling over how to distribute the spoils of our system with no regard for what’s actually best for the country.
Are you saying that liberalism is good but non-whites have destroyed it?
I think liberalism has reached its logical conclusion so I wouldn’t say it’s good, but once you have third worlders coming in and turning it into an ethnic spoils system it ceases to even be functional.
Is that really happening though? I understand how it's easy to come to that conclusion, however the children of non White immigrants are largely assimilating to White American suburban culture and sometimes, although less frequently, urban Black American culture. They aren't starting the "Latino" party or the "Asian" party and going after White power, it's more like they are becoming alternative versions of American Whites, or masquerading as us. I don't think most of them want to destroy White America.
Yes. They hate us. Look at Indians in tech. Once a company hits critical mass of Indians no white person is ever hired again. It becomes a way to enrich their Indian co ethnics and get H1bs. Africans assimilate to resentful black identity politics i.e. Obama. Hispanics vote for Democrats and gibs and legalizing their co ethnics. Any majority minority state eventually becomes like CA or NYC which are the epitome of anti white. Isn’t it obvious the left has gotten more openly anti white as they’ve gotten less white? Do you think these people will be kind to whites when they are 60% of the population?
I don't deny that Indians, especially Indians here on HB1 visas are nepotistic, and yes I agree that is bad and we should not be allowing them such a foothold in tech, however if you look at someone like Vivek, a second generation Indian, born in Ohio, he isn't really doing that, if anything he is an Indian American engaged in White guy politics. Its hard to equate him with a to foreign born Indian who buys a hotel in a small White town and and then only hires his cusions or something, which I agree is bad.
Sure, of the small percentage African immigrants we have, some have and will assimilate to black ghetto culture, but a lot of them also just own liquor stores or other menial small businesses and bemoan woke liberal policies like many average boomers and vote Republican. And Hispanics are getting close to being split 50/50 Dem vs GOP, just like Whites they are a political plurality. Lots of Hispanics are mixed race with a lot of White blood, and a good number of them are assimilated and intermarrying with Whites.
I was born and still live in CA, it's many things, but I wouldn't classify it as anti-White, it's unfortunately very expensive, among other things, but I've never got the sense, on the street that people are out to get me because I'm White.
To your last point, yes Whites have gone from 85-90% of the population 50 years ago to around 60% today, however it's not like the other 40% are united against us, they are made up of people by in large that have little in common with each other. Blacks don't like Asians, Hispanics don't like Blacks, etc, they aren't all united in solidarity against White people, most of them aren't in fact.
Will the Republican Party be able to rebuild after Trump? I’m not sure they can go back from this and think they will end up going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy and paranoia even deeper. Seems like if they try to go back on Trumpism after this election, their base will eat them alive, and the Democrats will already be there occupying the space.
I know I keep repeating myself but the callers are unfathomably based.
Quite profound.